tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post5829406645949919303..comments2023-05-17T16:06:31.305+02:00Comments on Magic Bullet ● Mango Sport Velomobiel: The Dutch Cycling Culture and how it is maintained dispite cars and mopedsMagic Bullethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-74946716775577766652015-08-28T14:32:18.869+02:002015-08-28T14:32:18.869+02:00A good news for those who are searching way “How T...A good news for those who are searching way “How To Make Money” to stay their home. There are many ways to make money. But you will get a real income from here. Because it’s a best ways of making money online.<br /><a href="http://emailprocessingsystems.com/" rel="nofollow"> ways to make money </a> <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13976336988104813596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-61407478961937090002013-08-01T07:25:57.689+02:002013-08-01T07:25:57.689+02:00Ok Sir...
Trade Car Sales in warringtonOk Sir...<br /><a href="http://www.warringtoncarcentre.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Trade Car Sales in warrington</a>V. K. Sinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181184742206228172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-41132908630217533672013-06-17T22:00:07.762+02:002013-06-17T22:00:07.762+02:00Thanks V.K. I'm pretty busy at work and in fam...Thanks V.K. I'm pretty busy at work and in family life right now, but my next post will be on the typical Dutch bike. Work in progress...Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-6254450240040034872013-04-26T18:34:19.875+02:002013-04-26T18:34:19.875+02:00Hey sports bike,
You downloaded my post(s) as a tu...Hey sports bike,<br />You downloaded my post(s) as a tutorial? I'm really flattered, looking forward to read a bit more about that.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-14670114822357204682013-04-26T14:47:57.738+02:002013-04-26T14:47:57.738+02:00This tutorial is indeed useful. I have just downlo...This tutorial is indeed useful. I have just downloaded it. Thanks again.<br /><a href="http://www.powersportsindustries.com/" rel="nofollow">sports bike</a>powersportshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08111820083983407514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-27468156574779139452013-04-14T13:09:59.113+02:002013-04-14T13:09:59.113+02:00Many of them are indeed! :-) didn't realize th...Many of them are indeed! :-) didn't realize that yet. The burst of e-bikes is an interesting development on its own. At first it makes the elderly Bb generation more mobile in a healthy way, in so far, that it comes with an increased death toll amongst older cyclists, higher frequency of use combined with higher speeds. <br />As the e-bike is increasingly more difficult to distinguish from a normal bike, it's loosing its 'handicapped granny' scootmobile image quickly. Nowadays, a lot of younger people esp women, buy it as alternative for a bike or...moped. Subtle social difference.<br />E-bikes are saving certain endangered types of cycling in The Netherlands, are giving cycling a new boost.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-17333496416403144182013-04-14T09:20:18.857+02:002013-04-14T09:20:18.857+02:00Such an interesting perspective! Any ideas about t...Such an interesting perspective! Any ideas about the burst of e-bikes nowadays? Is it my impression or are the users the influencial babyboomers(upper)middle class from the sixties?Louise van Alenburg Paintings and Poetryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509062363220747403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-72610463919968577712013-04-12T17:48:15.466+02:002013-04-12T17:48:15.466+02:00Hi Quezzzt,
OMG, is it so obvious? I honestly try ...Hi Quezzzt,<br />OMG, is it so obvious? I honestly try to be friendly on any blog, but I miserably fail to hide my true nature ;-(<br /><br />In one way one can take it as an insult, but I am also flattered by the comparison of Wijnandt! Stapel might not be scientifically right in some/many of his statements, but he's successful, and I think he's very entertaining. Also, I'm as irritating as Stapel, stepping out of my own specialization and start telling others 'the truth', so I should accept the remark because it's true. <br /><br />The whole purpose of my posts on this topic is to be a bit provocative, like Stapel, just to make people think. David triggered me because he's postulating his 'decisive infrastructure theory' with even more boldness and was warning me not to use certain arguments, because 'he debunked them already' and 'you don't know your country'. I decided not to take these as an insult (...), put it into the box of British lobbyist language and I am taking a different approach indeed.<br /><br />To put it provocative again: everybody thinks he's right but nobody seems to notice that there are a couple of obvious flaws in his story. That does annoy me. The most obvious is that cycling doesn't function anywhere but in The Netherlands. He presents that as near coincidence, takes a technocratic approach ('Dutch cycling is not a culture') and states that other countries should take the Dutch as an example, and should not settle with anything less than the Dutch cycling infrastructure. To put it in his own words: I debunked the level of realism of his efforts to achieve anything like that already in my post on cyclist lobbyism.<br /><br />But I can put the best cycling infrastructure on the top of the Alps, in San Francisco or the in central deserts of Australia...and then what? Is everybody going to use a bike there to commute then? <br /><br />I think it's a proven recipee for failure and I could fill a separate post with examples on it, mostly related with attempts to export democracy and aiding developing countries. All serve very good goals, but just picking up systems and putting them somewhere else is simply a too lazy.<br /><br />In my approach, I'm having a pretty closed theory (posted only ~25%), with some rock solid numbers, and then it's shooting time indeed. I still believe it will hold.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-7551834177271701112013-04-12T15:46:39.896+02:002013-04-12T15:46:39.896+02:00Magic Bullet it is ofcourse the scientific way to ...Magic Bullet it is ofcourse the scientific way to try burn a theory down with valid counter proof facts by other scientists. <br /><br />A theory only becomes accepted if no one can bring forth valid counter proof facts against the theory to prove its wrong. Doesnt mean the theory is right at all, but since no one then can prove it's not, it has to be assumed. <br /><br />Now this is probably what you meant with the remark at the end of your written piece so you are well aware of this....but...<br /><br />I have noticed by your past reactions you are sometimes short tempered, and i really had a laugh about the somewhat insulting remark on comparing your work with Diederik Stapel's. But yet you remain calm where i expected you to be furiated, wich would be less...scientific. So at least you gained +1 in my book of at least trying to explain how things work from you point of view and remain calm under inevitable comments saying you're all wrong ;-) <br /><br /> Quezzzthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340009785237362388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-8174308856455952312013-04-12T10:04:43.684+02:002013-04-12T10:04:43.684+02:00Dear Wijnandt,
Thanks for comparing me to Diederi...Dear Wijnandt,<br /><br />Thanks for comparing me to Diederik Stapel, there are less flattering comparisons possible. <br /><br />My point is (will be) that David Hembrow is making a couple of deadly scientific mistakes. <br />1- The Dutch are not acting as a single, homogeneous group. They might be more homogeneous than the British, and therefore differences might be harder to feel from the outside, but that only makes David a Danish boy looking for storks.<br />2- Student cycling culture and infrastructure is NOT related and therefore it's NOT complementary to David's ideas. Cycling outside the student cycling culture is actually under pressure in The Netherlands ('achterbankgeneratie'). A significant part of Dutch cycling infrastructure kilometers is hardly in use anymore. Simply because cycling is an inferior way of transportation.<br />3- Please be a true scientist, examine my theory closely and do put it to the water. This kind of remarks alone just adds the the 'Magic' of Dutch cycling. I'm trying to demystify it.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-40786112559984165322013-04-12T09:41:41.666+02:002013-04-12T09:41:41.666+02:00This makes nice reading, but I'm afraid it has...This makes nice reading, but I'm afraid it has a high Diederik Stapel content: plausible at first sight, but not holding water when examined closely. Nevertheless, it is worth researching which socio-economical factors in The Netherlands have smoothed the way for a nearly universal acceptance of cycling.<br /><br />This would be complementary to, and not excluding, the view of David Hembrow who considers the overall quality of cycling infrastructure as THE decisive factor for universal adoption of the bicycle as a means of everyday transport. Wijnandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07343783872023362815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-40688982624613118602013-04-11T21:47:48.553+02:002013-04-11T21:47:48.553+02:00How funny, my mother was a dentist assistant/phone...How funny, my mother was a dentist assistant/phone connector girl/nurse at the military airport Valkenburg directly after WWII. She had to cancel dentist appointments on a regular basis...a dead pilot doesn't have to do his teeth anymore...Note that this was at peace time. I suppose your grand parents were right.<br /><br />Indeed, velomobilist are as eccentric in NL as cyclists in the rest of the world.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-81578091373396948702013-04-11T20:56:07.956+02:002013-04-11T20:56:07.956+02:00No flowers and a very early model...i cant make th...No flowers and a very early model...i cant make the colour because the photo's are in black and white. I think it is dark grey. <br /><br />Theres a nice story to why he got a (new) car at that time where few people even had a car as a student in the first place....he actually passed the tests for fighter pilot but his parents forbade him to persue such a (dangerous, they had seen the battles over their heads of bombers on their way to Germany and back ) career. To make up for this huge dissapointment they pampered him with luxury and he was already a somewhat older student because of the interfering war...<br /><br />And yes my collegues are in shock still....they cant get their heads around me preferring a turned over glassfiber bathtub with pedals over a brandnew Citroen C1-like car.....a terrible waste of money, is their point of view ;-))<br /><br />Im not an enviromental activist treehugger either. I'm riding such a bike as i recognise that to stay healthy a human does need physical exercise. And the best exercise is what your model ( homo sapiens ) was built for in the first place, hunting larger animals. Now i dislike running and my weight lifting bench only provides a part of what a human needs...so cycling is the next best endurance exercise ;-) <br /><br />See..not a culture thing at all..with me everything need to be practical ;-))<br /><br />But ofcourse in general your story is recognisable in how things work in the world. Students and what they are acustomed to will have a huge impact on the decisionmaking they will later on do. And the conclusion that real power in daily life is to a surprisingly extend wielded by lower regional instances is probably right aswell. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Quezzzthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340009785237362388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-52378829240157491422013-04-11T17:48:20.688+02:002013-04-11T17:48:20.688+02:00@ Quezzzt, Now I know the root cause of the crappy...@ Quezzzt, Now I know the root cause of the crappy cycling infrastructure of Amersfoort ;-))<br />Oh, how could I forget 2CV, I should add a photo & remark. Did it have flowers, or was your father from an older generation?<br />Actually, you're brilliant: from petrol head to machinist with a velomobile. Did they think you went into an identity crisis because they couldn't put you into a box anymore? No recommendations to visit a shrink?<br />There is a small indication in the post that my story isn't completely airtight, my brother became a petrol head too...I think these exceptions proof the story.Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-61501472000083689272013-04-11T13:02:45.378+02:002013-04-11T13:02:45.378+02:00Actually Magic Bullet, my father was head of the f...Actually Magic Bullet, my father was head of the financial department in city hall ( Amerfoort ) and a decision maker like in your story. He didnt like bicycles and chose motorscooters ( post war models ) and cars like the Citroen 2CV in/afther his time as student ;-))<br /><br />Yet here i am ( on paper ) low educated, never was a student or decisionmaker and have driven mopeds, motorcycles and cars for decennia not even owning a bicycle. Your story has certainly recognisable elements but isnt airtight ;-))<br /><br />Quezzzthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340009785237362388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-36000989705783235612013-04-11T09:44:59.922+02:002013-04-11T09:44:59.922+02:00I bike every day to Amsterdam with the quest
it&...I bike every day to Amsterdam with the quest <br /><br />it's always very busy with bicycle traffic marcel beekmanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663977912038175814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-70160756796688492592013-04-10T23:11:40.055+02:002013-04-10T23:11:40.055+02:00I can't resist...I know from inside informatio...I can't resist...I know from inside information that local authorities (head of police, mayors, heads of schools) scare the ... Out of themselves at the start of each student year, praying for a low death toll. The newcomers don't know the traffic situation, are having lots of parties to celebrate the start of their student time......always a peak of accidents in september. Now who's deciding what in Dutch innercity traffic? Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-8145918445046579972013-04-10T22:36:54.902+02:002013-04-10T22:36:54.902+02:00....and exactly, this has nothing to do with post .......and exactly, this has nothing to do with post WWII rebuilding, starting with bikes for the masses, followed by mopeds and finally cars. All that time, students just did their bicycle thing and increasingly (by their very increasing numbers) dictated the traffic in the innercities. Their increase IS a result of post WWII rebuild. After cars, people could afford to send their kids to university, moving into upper middle class. My family did the same, but then in the late twenties. Grandpa had a Ford T, being head of finance of the Dutch mines, but the son of a Frisian house painter who was able to send 1 kid to school...Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-33466708766770397822013-04-10T22:23:26.902+02:002013-04-10T22:23:26.902+02:00Cycling infrastructure can only be invented after ...Cycling infrastructure can only be invented after the appearance of massive numbers of cars. Before cars, there was just roads. Roads for walking, for carriages, for incidental cars handcars, bicycles alike. The very first separation was parallel roads in the thirties in NL. Not specifically for bicycles, but for hand cars and dog cars doing door-to-door sales holding up other carriages and an incidental car. They are much wider than cycling lanes and can be found n front of larger houses for....upper middle class...Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-52340134688119833252013-04-10T21:48:43.758+02:002013-04-10T21:48:43.758+02:00You are trying to tell me treehugging hippies buil...You are trying to tell me treehugging hippies build our bicycle infrastructure ? ;-))<br /><br />So this has nothing to do with the popularity of the bicycle in the years right after the war because people in general didn't have much money. In those years of rebuiling everything and the bicycle being omnipresent, wouldn't that have encouraged infrastructure specially for the bicycle ? <br /><br />At that time - although in Germany there were automobile highways since the '30 - people didn't know yet that automobiles would become that affordable it would be transport for the masses. It seems logical they saw it important to maken infrastructure for an important means of transportation at the time...<br /><br /><br /><br /> Quezzzthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340009785237362388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-80535996588092713602013-04-10T21:43:16.278+02:002013-04-10T21:43:16.278+02:00To put it differently. ALL decision-makers in poli...To put it differently. ALL decision-makers in politics, city planning and infrastructure over the past 40 years did have a bicycle as a student and used it on a daily basis. Primarily by social pressure and lacking money to have a car as alternative. The underlying mechanism that could result in this situation is in a next post. Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-35225835590084014612013-04-10T21:23:40.624+02:002013-04-10T21:23:40.624+02:00Hi Quezzzt, Of course you're not buying the fu...Hi Quezzzt, Of course you're not buying the full story because you were having a moped. ;-)<br />The point is not that over half of the former students jumps into company lease cars and goes making money in trade and industry nowadays, not at all interested in this kind of issues. The point is that there is a significant sub-group of former (left-wing) students, esp in the late 60ies, that were and are involved in city planning, infrastructure and politics. Isn't weird that the prime ministers I showed are not only a social democrat(Kok), but also christian democrat (Van Agt) and even a liberal(Rutte)? The latter two are typically not so much interested is this kind of things...Magic Bullethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449396619621988877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9088251208809400455.post-83896851549277165562013-04-10T18:11:04.459+02:002013-04-10T18:11:04.459+02:00And here i was, thinking students ride half wrecke...And here i was, thinking students ride half wrecked bicycles because they are just too poor paying for anything decent.<br /><br />Part their own fault ofcourse for spending what money they have on alcohol, drugs and partying. And renting their outragious overpriced 2 m2 student chambers ofcourse.<br /><br />Funny then when they do get their first jobs, the bicycle is quickly abandoned in favour of a company lease car. On the highways over 80 % are cars are no older then 3 years. And of those, almost all are company leased cars as even high educated people cannot all afford 40k every 3 years along with expensive houses or appartments. Lower educated people do not have company leased cars....they drive company owned vans, or light cargo type cars. Or their own, older vehicle. <br /><br />One would swear such high educated people would lose all interest in bicycle riding and bicycle infrastructure faster then you can blink an eye if that isnt part of their very busy life anymore...<br /><br />In short, i do not buy the (whole) story. <br /><br />Sure, in large dense populated cities traffic is a problem. Parking your lease car is often a problem, or at least the permit to do so being outragiously expensive. Air quality polution is a good other one. Having a (folding)bike there is mostly practical. For women it's the cargo bike then. It has not so much to do with status or culture, it is born out of nessesity. But ofcourse, one can observe that lower educated people do not live in luxury appartments in inner cities and therefore will not be seen on cargobikes and folding bikes as much....<br /><br />The higher educated that have the unfortune not being able to use company leased cars, because of their living envirmoment, move themselves by folding bike to the trains. These people are my cargo, to be delivered 1st class to Amsterdam South buisiness park, or the same at Schiphol, Rotterdam, Eindhoven, The Hague and more...<br /><br />I do not think they will care much for cycling infrastructure as their buisiness towers are raised right next to train stations and these are historically in the center of most cities, as are the luxury appartments. <br /><br />You are right they will never travel by bus, that is for the lower classes...<br /><br />You should note school going children have often no choice to go by bicycle....maybe the conclusion the cyclepaths are mostly there for their safety is more to the point ? Parents will push for these cycle infrastructuren, not for their own use, but for the safety of their children....not unimportant.. ;-))<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Quezzzthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13340009785237362388noreply@blogger.com